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	<title>Comments on: Ugly Betty Anti-Gay?  Are You Kidding Me?</title>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@-I get what you&#039;re saying. Sometimes I&#039;m not sure if Ugly Betty shows gay characters, and yet pulls back and make them stereotypical and a humor device because having &quot;serious&quot; gay characters might be too much for the audience, especially if one is a kid. Marc and Justin are both like that. Cliff isn&#039;t though, so that&#039;s good....

I doubt ABC is purging though. Ugly Betty has been on for 3 seasons, and the other shows are well-received. Suddenly purging is not just not inline with what they endorsed (well...shown on their channel), but risky. Fans will speak up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@-I get what you&#8217;re saying. Sometimes I&#8217;m not sure if Ugly Betty shows gay characters, and yet pulls back and make them stereotypical and a humor device because having &#8220;serious&#8221; gay characters might be too much for the audience, especially if one is a kid. Marc and Justin are both like that. Cliff isn&#8217;t though, so that&#8217;s good&#8230;.</p>
<p>I doubt ABC is purging though. Ugly Betty has been on for 3 seasons, and the other shows are well-received. Suddenly purging is not just not inline with what they endorsed (well&#8230;shown on their channel), but risky. Fans will speak up.</p>
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		<title>By: SirLizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>SirLizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in my previous comment, I&#039;m not saying that Justin&#039;s lack of subtlety is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in my previous comment, I&#8217;m not saying that Justin&#8217;s lack of subtlety is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: SirLizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>SirLizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the character of Justin Suarez: &quot;Revolutionary&quot;, absolutely. &quot;Subtle&quot;, I don&#039;t think so.  Justin is a character that I couldn&#039;t have even dreamt of when I was his age, but he gets less and less &quot;subtle&quot; every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the character of Justin Suarez: &#8220;Revolutionary&#8221;, absolutely. &#8220;Subtle&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think so.  Justin is a character that I couldn&#8217;t have even dreamt of when I was his age, but he gets less and less &#8220;subtle&#8221; every week.</p>
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		<title>By: waiching liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>waiching liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i personally don&#039;t think the pennette firing had anything to do with this sexuality- rather it was a creative decision in terms of the direction of the show, which a lot of fans were unhappy with, with regards to season 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i personally don&#8217;t think the pennette firing had anything to do with this sexuality- rather it was a creative decision in terms of the direction of the show, which a lot of fans were unhappy with, with regards to season 2</p>
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		<title>By: Homonegativity: What&#8217;s The Deal, ABC?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homonegativity: What&#8217;s The Deal, ABC?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Later this same day&#8230;After conversing with b5media&#8217;s very own Ugly Betty expert Tom Landers of Ugly Betty News, I&#8217;ve learned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alicia, Mental Health Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia, Mental Health Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jack - I forgot about Bob &amp; Lee! They need more of a storyline, don&#039;t they?

@ Tom - Hey, I&#039;m southern, don&#039;t sweat it, ha. Anyway, I&#039;ve included an &quot;edit&quot; to my post to reflect your knowledge about Romijn&#039;s situation. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jack &#8211; I forgot about Bob &amp; Lee! They need more of a storyline, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>@ Tom &#8211; Hey, I&#8217;m southern, don&#8217;t sweat it, ha. Anyway, I&#8217;ve included an &#8220;edit&#8221; to my post to reflect your knowledge about Romijn&#8217;s situation. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, silly was probably the wrong word (somtimes my southern-isms don&#039;t translate well to written form).

As I said, I don&#039;t know enough about the ABC suits, or the other shows, to give an informed position on a supposed gay purge by ABC as a whole.

However, I know Ugly Betty pretty darned well.  I covered both the Penette firing and the Romijn demotion in depth last year.  I can say with a pretty good amount of certitude that neither decision came from ABC corporate.

Horta was up front - he took a humongous (but much needed) risk - those two things were only a small part of the overhaul.

The timing isn&#039;t right, either - the decision on Romijn happened last season (coincidentally, about the time she got pregnant).  The firings on the other shows seem to be more recent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, silly was probably the wrong word (somtimes my southern-isms don&#8217;t translate well to written form).</p>
<p>As I said, I don&#8217;t know enough about the ABC suits, or the other shows, to give an informed position on a supposed gay purge by ABC as a whole.</p>
<p>However, I know Ugly Betty pretty darned well.  I covered both the Penette firing and the Romijn demotion in depth last year.  I can say with a pretty good amount of certitude that neither decision came from ABC corporate.</p>
<p>Horta was up front &#8211; he took a humongous (but much needed) risk &#8211; those two things were only a small part of the overhaul.</p>
<p>The timing isn&#8217;t right, either &#8211; the decision on Romijn happened last season (coincidentally, about the time she got pregnant).  The firings on the other shows seem to be more recent.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s silly at all.  There may be solid reasons behind Romijn&#039;s leaving, but it doesn&#039;t change the general attitude of the higher ups (higher than gay producer btw)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s silly at all.  There may be solid reasons behind Romijn&#8217;s leaving, but it doesn&#8217;t change the general attitude of the higher ups (higher than gay producer btw)</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia, Mental Health Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia, Mental Health Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, great post. I wholeheartedly agree that ABC generally seems &quot;gay-friendly,&quot; until this point. 

However, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s &quot;silly&quot; (nor do I really think anyone looks &quot;silly&quot;) for including Ugly Betty/Rebecca Romijn in the group. The ideas people are having are based on changes that several ABC shows have undergone (or are currently undergoing) - not merely what one show (Grey&#039;s Anatomy) has done. It&#039;s because of the departure of other gay/bi/transgendered characters on other ABC shows that this new development of Grey&#039;s (getting rid of Brooke Smith) is so in the spotlight. 

Too, the changes don&#039;t seem to be coming from the writers, producers, etc. of these shows. They seem to be coming (according to entertainment news sources, so, everyone has to be his own judge) from the much higher ups at ABC. If that&#039;s true, I don&#039;t think Silvio Horta&#039;s sexual orientation would play much of a role in what the higher ups at ABC want. At the same time, it could always be that ABC is &quot;okay&quot; with homosexual characters, but not transgendered ones (re: Carmelita from Dirty Sexy Money). And, if that&#039;s the case, people would be left looking for another reason why Brooke Smith had to leave. 

In any event, I don&#039;t think anyone is using the change with Ugly Betty/Rebecca Romijn as solid evidence that ABC is being &quot;anti-gay.&quot; I think it&#039;s more of an example of &quot;Hey, wait a minute...this kind of character departure seems to be happening network-wide...remember Ugly Betty?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, great post. I wholeheartedly agree that ABC generally seems &#8220;gay-friendly,&#8221; until this point. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;silly&#8221; (nor do I really think anyone looks &#8220;silly&#8221;) for including Ugly Betty/Rebecca Romijn in the group. The ideas people are having are based on changes that several ABC shows have undergone (or are currently undergoing) &#8211; not merely what one show (Grey&#8217;s Anatomy) has done. It&#8217;s because of the departure of other gay/bi/transgendered characters on other ABC shows that this new development of Grey&#8217;s (getting rid of Brooke Smith) is so in the spotlight. </p>
<p>Too, the changes don&#8217;t seem to be coming from the writers, producers, etc. of these shows. They seem to be coming (according to entertainment news sources, so, everyone has to be his own judge) from the much higher ups at ABC. If that&#8217;s true, I don&#8217;t think Silvio Horta&#8217;s sexual orientation would play much of a role in what the higher ups at ABC want. At the same time, it could always be that ABC is &#8220;okay&#8221; with homosexual characters, but not transgendered ones (re: Carmelita from Dirty Sexy Money). And, if that&#8217;s the case, people would be left looking for another reason why Brooke Smith had to leave. </p>
<p>In any event, I don&#8217;t think anyone is using the change with Ugly Betty/Rebecca Romijn as solid evidence that ABC is being &#8220;anti-gay.&#8221; I think it&#8217;s more of an example of &#8220;Hey, wait a minute&#8230;this kind of character departure seems to be happening network-wide&#8230;remember Ugly Betty?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Betty is pretty gay: u got marc and cliff, justin is bound to come out of the closet, silvio horta is gay and the concept of the show attracts ... well, gay people. 

And Grey&#039;s maybe shutting down a lesbian storyline, but another huge ABC show has had a few &#039;gay&#039; storylines in the past and is still having some: Desperate Housewives! Andrew and Justin in the past (and still a bit nowadays) and Bob &amp; Lee as neighbours on Wisteria Lane. So i don&#039;t really mind that they shut down the lesbian storyline on Grey&#039;s, there are plenty of gay related shows on ABC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Betty is pretty gay: u got marc and cliff, justin is bound to come out of the closet, silvio horta is gay and the concept of the show attracts &#8230; well, gay people. </p>
<p>And Grey&#8217;s maybe shutting down a lesbian storyline, but another huge ABC show has had a few &#8216;gay&#8217; storylines in the past and is still having some: Desperate Housewives! Andrew and Justin in the past (and still a bit nowadays) and Bob &amp; Lee as neighbours on Wisteria Lane. So i don&#8217;t really mind that they shut down the lesbian storyline on Grey&#8217;s, there are plenty of gay related shows on ABC!</p>
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